>Except, of course, for the constantly demonstrated fact that the
>problem isn't the guns OR their availability -- the problem is the
>loose nuts behind the trigger. They're going to exist whether you
>allow guns or not, and if you don't allow guns they'll just use cars,
>bottles full of gasoline, etc.
>
>Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me.
You seem to overlook the fact that it's a lot harder to walk into a public place while trying to conceal a flaming bottle of gasoline inside your coat (although a car might just be possible...)
In <9220611.15056@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU> curmi@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Jamie Paul CURMI) writes:
>rodb@slugo.corp.sgi.com (Rod Beckwith) writes:
><a little bit of stuff deleted...>
>>I also have a question for you folks DOWN UNDER.(That's AUSTRAILIA for
>>those of you who don't know where down under is.) I recall that about 3-4
>>years ago that
>>an egg shaped craft buzzed a family in a car on some highway down there. As
>>I recall there was some material released by the craft & it was retrieved
>>by the occupants of the vehicle. The material was brought in for analysis &
>>that was the last I ever heard about it. I think a fishing boat offshore
>>also reported
>>seeing the craft about an hour later. There was quite a bit of news on the
>>incident back then, but as most news stories go , the press never really
>>follows up.
>Hi!
>Yeah, I followed this story very closely at the time. It happened just as
>Hinch started his new show on 7 (Hinch at 7, on 7 ;-), and Hinch quickly
>organised interviews with the entire family.
>The car had some really good dents and scrapes on it I believe.
>It was reported that the silvery/black material found on and in the car was
>analysed...and after an awful long time the lab people said it was dust from
>their brakes or something similar due to their brakes.
Hmm, this sounds to be a very dull answer.
Can't somebody over there check this lab report more precise ?
Has somebody on the net the test-results-papers ?
How could the brakes deliver some ashes, that it all over the top of
the car ?
>This whole thing seemed a little weird (not the story, but the analysis &
>the way everything went really strange and quiet about this incident). I'm
>not trying to imply a coverup (ok...maybe I am \(^_^)/ ), but this
>poor family got treated like shit soon after they told their story.
>A number of weeks later (possibly months even) the family were once again
>interviewed (well, more like a very brief chat). The mother said that since
>the incident people had harrased her, and called her a lier, and treated
>the whole family pretty badly. She said she wished she had never told
>anyone this story, and was visibly upset by the whole affair. That was
>the last I heard.
>Local Oz Scientists suggested they were hit by lightning, and the usual
>scientist type response to anything unusual (oh...it was ball lightning,
>a weather balloon, you imagined it all...etc). I don't know what it was..
>it may well have been something quite natural....but the family said the
>UFO grabbed the car, and tried to lift it off the ground, and that they
>could see a glowing egg shaped thingy, bashing against the roof.
>By the way, a number of ufo reports came in from Queensland last night...
>a light in the sky, moving from the west (?), hovering above, then moving
>back from where it came. One person described it as a flying camp-fire
>(that's a new one....hard to imagine....perhaps a Grey Boy Scout :-).
>Anyone else hear about this report.
>It seems a lot of UFO's are being reported down under lately. Have the
>Greys only just discovered Australia? (bit like you Americans....NO.. there
>are NO kangaroos jumpin' around my back garden, or in my street!!!! ;-)
>Jamie
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>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jamie P. Curmi (curmi@cs.mu.oz.au, curmi@maths.mu.oz.au) Department of Computer Science, Department of Mathematics The Un
>iversity of Melbourne, Parkville, Victoria, Australia
In article <1992Aug9.193609.14566@husc3.harvard.edu> rocher@husc8.harvard.edu (Jean-Marc Rocher) writes:
>>Except, of course, for the constantly demonstrated fact that the
>>problem isn't the guns OR their availability -- the problem is the
>>loose nuts behind the trigger. They're going to exist whether you
>>allow guns or not, and if you don't allow guns they'll just use cars,
>>bottles full of gasoline, etc.
>>
>>Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me.
>
>You seem to overlook the fact that it's a lot harder to walk into a public place while trying to conceal a flaming bottle of gasoline inside your coat (although a car might just be possible...)
Sorry, but you're wrong. I can quite easily conceal several bottles
of gasoline and a lighter inside my clothing. I can whip one out and
get it lit just about as fast as can be done with a firearm. As you
might recall, when airlines tightened security to check for guns and
knives, people started hijacking airplanes with bottles of gasoline.
--
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
>>It seems a lot of UFO's are being reported down under lately. Have the
>>Greys only just discovered Australia? (bit like you Americans....NO.. there
>>are NO kangaroos jumpin' around my back garden, or in my street!!!! ;-)
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jamie P. Curmi (curmi@cs.mu.oz.au, curmi@maths.mu.oz.au) Department of Computer Science, Department of Mathematics The Un
>>iversity of Melbourne, Parkville, Victoria, Australia
>I doubt that any aliens or government people would have created such >circles. There is no reason for it.
Try realizing that there is more that you don't know than there is that
you do know. Most reasons are beyond our comprehension.
>Why land in the middle of crops, making a stange formation that will get >people suspicious when you could easily land in some other place that would >leave no such "evidence."
If you had work to do in a place where no one could overpower or
influence you would you really care what kind of impression you made,
on the planet surface or on the inhabitants lives?
>Come on, there is much more convicing evidence than these hozx formations.
Evidence shmevidence, I want the air ship I saw flying along power
lines one night with no lights on and without making a sound.
>>I doubt that any aliens or government people would have created such >circles. There is no reason for it.
>
>Try realizing that there is more that you don't know than there is that
>you do know. Most reasons are beyond our comprehension.
>
>>Why land in the middle of crops, making a stange formation that will get >people suspicious when you could easily land in some other place that would >leave no such "evidence."
>
>If you had work to do in a place where no one could overpower or
>influence you would you really care what kind of impression you made,
>on the planet surface or on the inhabitants lives?
>
>>Come on, there is much more convicing evidence than these hozx formations.
>
>Evidence shmevidence, I want the air ship I saw flying along power
>lines one night with no lights on and without making a sound.
>
>Rick
Er... I'm not the one that said the above... the guy was responding
to my contentions... I'm the one who stirred up the hornet's nest,
remember?
Rick Pavek
Sorry, the #^(#^%( trn keeps telling me I have fewer lines of text than
the article I'm including...
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jmv@grip.cis.upenn.edu (Jean-Marc Vezien) writes:
>YES, DEFINITLY YES. I think the "Prime Directive" argument of Star Trek >could apply to aliens as well. Besides, if the aliens really didn't care, >they would land randomly. Too bad they never land in center city.
JM,
Please explain the pattern to the alien landings to me because I fail
to see one. And where is center city? How do you know they didn't land
there?
Do you believe that every ship in the sky is seen?
> >YES, DEFINITLY YES. I think the "Prime Directive" argument of Star Trek >could apply to aliens as well. Besides, if the aliens really didn't care, >they would land randomly. Too bad they never land in center city.
>
> JM,
> Please explain the pattern to the alien landings to me because I fail
> to see one. And where is center city? How do you know they didn't land
> there?
> Do you believe that every ship in the sky is seen?
Rick,
The pattern of UFO landing seems pretty clear to me:
1) locate crop, away from any major people concentration, but not to far
away so that people can discover your tracks,
2) land
And I know they didn't land near any major city in this world.
Could any crop specialist compile a list of crop circle locations ?
I'll bet they are not randomly located... US and England seem to
Well, as far as defending WITHOUT my weapons, vs defending WITH 'em...
I REFUSE to defend myself with a soup spoon while waiting 20 minutes for the
police to arrivbe against an "invader", and a flatly refuse to abandon my home
to same. I've already had to defend myself against ONE attack in my own living
room (some hopped-up clown came crashing in thru my patio door waving a knife
the size of a buick), and I've d*mned GLAQD I had a pistol within reasonable access... elsewise I'd probably not be here to post this (the clod was twice my size, and I ain't eggzackly small).
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Subject: Re: Report on Phoenix Project
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sm (ParaNet.Information.Service@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG) wrote:
: A few weeks ago, ParaNet received on-line copies of several
: documents which purported to come from a previously unknown
: organization called "The Phoenix Project". The project is
: described in the documents as a "private, civilian, research
: organization" which was "formed in 1952 to investigate and
: correlate information" concerning UFOs and ETs. According to the
: information contained in the documents, for a small price one can
: receive printed copies of the project's reports, complete with
: maps, magnetometer readings, and a host of other supporting
: charts and diagrams which serve to make the whole endeavor look
: scientific and legitimate.
: ParaNet will keep you advised of our findings as they become
: available. If you have any information about the Phoenix Project,
: especially regarding its possible relationship with the Phoenix
: Liberator or America West Publishers, please send it to Michael
: Corbin by Internet mail to mcorbin@paranet.org; by Fidonet to
: 1:104/422; by U.S. Mail to P.O. Box 172, Wheat Ridge, CO 80034-
: 0172; or by phone at 303-431-8796.
MY ex-roommate got this newspaper-looking-thingie in her mailbox
today (apparantly by mistake) from some sort of organization
calling itself "The Phoenix Liberator, Inc.". The address given was
the same one as listed in the original post. The "Subscription Rates"
column lists the following:
"Subscription orders may be placed by mail to the above address or
by phone to 1-800-800-5565. Subscription rates are: $20 for 13 issues
(US) ..." The address listed "for more information" for a series
called "The Phoenix Journals" is America West Publishers (claiming
to be a Nevada corporation) P. O. Box 2208, Carson City, Nevada 87702.
They even list a phone number: 1-800-729-4131. Another 800 number listed
is 1-800-729-3141.
FYI. I don't support these folks, nor do I support Don Showen, or anyone
else claiming support for the Pleiades movement. It all sounds pretty
silly to me, but what the hell do I know? :)
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Ed Carp, N7EKG erc@apple.com 801/538-0177
"This is the final task I will ever give you, and it goes on forever. Act
happy, feel happy, be happy, without a reason in the world. Then you can love,
and do what you will." -- Dan Millman, "Way Of The Peaceful Warrior"
I have a hard time believing this thread turned into a Cattle Mutilation discus
sion, but Oh Well...
I have read about plenty of ranchers who have lost cattle, met aliens, etc. Theyfirst start wondering what in the hell is going on. Then they call the Sheriff,
and in a number of the cases, the cops tell the people flat out: `ITs the work
of extraterrestrails, and that's all the FBI will tell us".
After that, some of the ranchers have spotted UFO's,and even been abducted or
contacted. The literature is out there; I'm not writing a research paper,
but it's out there, and anyone with a sincere interest in the subject such
as myself has no problem finding it.
Of course, many of our less esteamed freinds who don't read books on such
"far out' subjects are predisposed to other viewpoints, but I'll ask you
this:
If it was the work of the US government, why wouldn't they raise the cattel
themselves? Much cheaper than flying multimillion dollar helicopters
around, which is the ONLY possible "other" explaination for all of this.
Actually, when you read Alien Harvest, there is really little question
as to what this phenomena is caused by. And the real question is what
the greys are doing with the material they collect.
The answer that that question is beyond the comprehension of most of
the people here, so I'll save my findings (which are pretty deep)
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